Yankee Stadium drew an average of 46,491 fans per game last season (highest in the majors). Fenway Park drew an average of 37,610 (8th in the majors). How about Camden Yards? 21,662. 24th in the majors. And I would wager a bet that out of the 1,733,018 total over the year that showed up to watch the Orioles play, roughly 450,000 (~25,000 per game) of those were Yankees and Red Sox fans who traveled down for the nine games played against their respective teams. Throw in the Mets series that seemingly loaded up the yard with an extra 75,000 broken down over three days, as well as the loyal groups of Twins and Nationals followers, and it wouldn’t surprise me if somewhere around one third of ticket holders (575,000) at Oriole Park last year were present to see the team facing the Orioles. Keeping in mind the big executives that fill up suites of workers discussing business transactions, the wives and girlfriends dragged out on date night to a baseball game, and baseball scouts, we have to remember that there are many variables that diminish the number of actual fans showing up to games with the clear objective of cheering for the O’s. I easily may have low-balled some of those numbers, but I wanted to keep it reasonable while still pushing the point.
Can I push fans to go to games? Maybe a few readers and friends here and there. Can the Orioles PR department bring the fan base back? A promotion here or there may draw kids or collectors in that want a freebie, but that’s not a consistent factor. So who will fans listen to?
Let’s hope people will hear Orioles CF Adam Jones out and decide to come down to Camden Yards to root on the home team this coming season.
In the video interview below (put together by Baltimore Sun photojournalist Karl Merton Ferron), Jones sounds off about the appearance and overall look of the general fan groups that tend to show up at Oriole games. While the dying interest in Baltimore baseball has been a serious matter for the last decade, the young outfielder is only entering his 3rd season in an Orioles uniform and already recognizes the fact that Camden Yards really does become “Fenway South” or “Yankee Stadium South.”
Jones makes multiple clear points in this little rant:
On the “loud” times at Camden Yards: “Usually Yankees or Opening Day.”
“It’s annoying hearing ‘Let’s go Yankees’ and all our fans do is ‘boooooo’.”
He goes on to talk about all of the so-called Orioles fans that show up in their orange apparel asking for autographs, but then when New York or Boston are in town, these same people will break out their pinstripes or blue and red and jump ship. To these people, Jones says to them, “You’re not an example of what a fan should be. A fan is somebody who lives and dies with their team, no matter what.”
As an outsider looking in, it seems kind of obvious why the fan base has been driven out by the play on the field these last 13 losing seasons. Jones even remarks, “I know it’s been hard.” As a player like him, though, there is not much else that he can do besides play his game, do his part in the community, and do everything else that a genuine athlete should do.
With past controversies over Jones making comments when people think he needs to step back from the media as well as the recent stories with the published quotes from manager Buck Showalter putting down Yankees SS Derek Jeter and Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, who knows how fans will react to what Jones will saying. Will people respond by coming to more games and giving the team a chance to prove them wrong, or are they just going to sit back and wait to jump on the bandwagon when the time comes that the organization finally does kick it into high gear and puts out a winning squad.
With season ticket sales supposedly through the roof for 2011, and Opening Day practically selling out before tickets are even open to the general public for purchasing, there is new hope in the fan base that used to be reckoned with on a national scale. We all know of the great names like Earl Weaver, Jim Palmer, Brooks Robinson, Eddie Murray, Cal Ripken Jr. and more that drew sellout crowds of flooding orange to see the Birds play. And while Andy MacPhail along with owner Peter Angelos have done their best to bring in a few stop-gap players like Vladimir Guerrero and Derrek Lee to hopefully be a catalyst of jump starting a fan base gone missing, Jones hits the nail on the head when pinning down the key to overcoming the “Fenway South” branded stereotypes:
“If we beat the hell out of them on the field, more fans will come.”
Adam and B-Rob (who has said similar things in the past) can complain all they want about the fans not showing up, but it all comes down to the team winning. Adam does acknowledge that but not until after he bashes people for not showing up.
The sporting world is the only business in the world where consumers are chastised for not supporting an inferior product.
Also, loyal groups of Nationals followers? The hell? In the weekend Nats series in 2010, the O’s drew comparable crowds to other summer weekends, except for Friday which was union night (and fireworks). Union night is always a packed house, that’s why they had Wieters’ debut in 2009 on union night. There are no packs of loyal Nationals followers.
I use to be the guy who complained about other fans coming to Camden Yards but that has changed. My first job as a kid was selling lemonade at Oriole Park. The job was fun. I earn some cash and got to watch the ballgame. It wasn’t until the Yankees came to town that I realized how rude some of the their fans could be. Most didn’t tip and were bossy. Ever since then I haven’t had much respect for them when they come into my ballpark. The Redsox fans aren’t any better but i have ran into some very nice fans on both teams. I have to say that I have never had a problem with Mets fans. Bluejay fans, the few that make the trip, are cool too. If you are an O’s fan that cannot stand other teams fans invading OPACY, I have to tell you to stop complaining and do something about it. Once a month my wife and I gather around 250 hardcore birds fans and invade the yard ourselves. We even do it for charity through the Orioles High Five Program. I think that it was Joe Angel who said that “theres a whole lot of red out there in the stands, but their money is green”. If there is a half million people coming into my city spending lots of money, then thats okay with me. As long as they can put up with crazy O’s fan like me yelling out the window that their team SUCKS!
While I truly believe that this is a football town and always has been a football town, if the Orioles win, the fans will be back. This team boasted one of the winningest franchises in all of sports for a 25-30 period, yet barely sold out playoff and world series games in the 60’s and early 70’s. Meanwhile, up until Mr. Irsay bought the team, a ticket to a Colt game was next to impossible to get. Only when the Colts pulled up stakes did the city then fully embrace the Orioles. If they win, the fans will back.
I disagree completely.
There is an entire generation of fans lost.
Camden Yards was PACKED for most of the 90s including the two playoff years. Talk about a ticket that was nearly impossible to get.
But 13 years later, most kids could care less. There are countless other sports to play and things to do. I have friends who are DIE HARD sports fans and their kids couldn’t name an Oriole.
I will continue to say that you have severely underestimated the alienation of O’s fans over the past 13 years. It goes far beyond winning and losing.
Mark, I know you’re a lot younger than me, but dig a little deeper than the 90’s for your history. Aside from the Irsay years, when this town has had at least two major league teams, the Colts ruled the roost in terms of attendance. From 1958 to 1972, the Colts had 103 straight sell outs. During that same time the Orioles averaged 10, 13,000 a game. Playoff games in 1979 did not even sell out and my brother and I scored tickets the day before game 2. In 96 and 97, the Ravens were new and they were losers, the Orioles wer basically the only game in town.
In 1966, they were 9th of 20 teams in attendance.
In 1970, they were 15th of 23 teams.
Both World Series years.
Meanwhile, the Colts had the 103 straight sell outs.
I think we cleared up the misunderstanding right?
My disagreement is with how you believe the stadium will fill up again if they win some games.
That’s all.
Let the Yankee fans, Red Sox fans and others make the trek to Camden Yards, they spend money and despite the fact they cheer against the Orioles, they contribute to the local economy
Angelos is such a greedy little sh*t, he charges almost double for “prime games” (redsox and yankees) knowing that folks from up north will come to these games regardless. Ironically these out of town fans may even be contrbuting as much money or even more than O’s fans for tickets. Hell if the orioles host a sellout for any one of these “prime games”, the ticket revenue alone would equal about 10 typical non prime O’s games. In Angelo’s greed and wisdom he makes it unattractive to the local fan to attend these “prime games”. I mean why would an O’s fan want to pay double to sit in a stadium full of out of towners.
Carl,
Ever bought an airline ticket between December 26 – 31? Nearly every team in the majors charges more for so called “Prime Games”. Professional sports is full of greedy little sh*ts.
MGW,
I agree professional sports is filled with greedy little sh*ts. Angelos just seems a little greedier than the rest. I just checked out other baseball teams and could not find anyone else charging “prime game” prices for certain teams only.Some teams, not all, charge a premuim price for opening day or 4th of july weekend etc, but i saw no other teams charging premium prices for certain teams.