Dan Duquette fielded multiple questions this past Saturday at a fan forum regarding the upcoming MLB trade deadline at the end of July regarding the Baltimore Orioles’ stance as potential “buyers” as opposed to the usual “sellers” standpoint. “People ask all the time if we’ll try to add to the team, and the answer to that is ‘yes,’ but I think we have a lot of the answers within the organization. So I wouldn’t be too anxious to look outside the organization because we’ve got a lot of good players here, but we’re always looking” (Source). Of course, Duquette had to give a mostly political answer to those inquiries, partially because it is against MLB rules to discuss players in other organizations publicly and also because he cannot truthfully share his particular thoughts with the fanbase before moves are made. Realistically, the only outfielder that Duquette even made slight mention of was Xavier Avery (plus Lew Ford, but that was because a fan specifically brought up Ford’s name and situation).
With the season ending back and neck injuries for Nolan Reimold and the broken hamate bone for Nick Markakis, the Orioles’ depth is being tested at the moment as the team continues to stay ten games above .500 and not a healthy corner outfielder can be found in the Orioles clubhouse.
Looking at the way that the current 25 man roster is constructed (though if you check back here in a couple of days, things will have most likely shuffled around once again), the corner outfield spots are being served by a strange mix of Steve Tolleson, Steve Pearce, Ryan Flaherty, Wilson Betemit, and Chris Davis. Surprisingly, after losing his starting gig to Brian Roberts at second base, Robert Andino has yet to appear in left field this season despite his history of 20 full innings manning the outfield (20 may seem quite low, but Chris Davis made his first ever appearance in the outfield less than two weeks ago).
Look even further at the Orioles roster on the team website to see that there are only two players listed actively under the outfielder category while there are nine total labeled as infielders. Oddly enough, Steve Tolleson is one of the two outfielders, and he has been a utility infielder for his entire career (shortstop as a prospect). It is my belief that when Tolleson was called back up to the big leagues to replace Endy Chavez, the team felt the need to place him there on the roster just for the minor fact that Adam Jones does not play all three outfield spots at once.
Adam Jones may play the most crucial outfield spot, however, taking office in center, but the issue arises when the corners need to be filled. In fact, Adam Jones has started all 72 games this season and has taken on all 663 innings defensively that the Orioles have played. How do those innings break down for left and right?
There you go. The projected left field starter, Nolan Reimold, has thus far played the third highest innings count at the position. While Nick Markakis has overwhelmingly taken the field in right more than any other player, it has become a very apparent hole in the team since not a single guy has taken that spot who is a natural outfielder other than Steve Pearce (who has played more innings at first base than in the outfield in his career, but let’s not be picky here).
Endy Chavez is injured and all recent reports point to his hamstring as not recovering successfully and that he is behind schedule. Ryan Flaherty has very limited range in the outfield and his speed holds him back from making many successful rundowns to balls. There isn’t even a valid argument one could make for Chris Davis or Wilson Betemit playing the outfield in the first place.
Back to Dan Duquette for a second; he stated multiple times that the organization likes where it’s at in terms of depth, but when you look deeper into it, he was really speaking of his work building the pitching in the minor league system.
So who is at AAA Norfolk that could come up to play the corner outfield spots?
Lew Ford – signed out of the independent leagues, 35 year old hitting .354 in 127 ABs
- Xavier Avery – called up to the O’s in May, sent back down once league found out he couldn’t hit breaking balls, batting .268 with 16 stolen bases
- L.J. Hoes – moved to center field in 2012 at AA full time once Avery was moved to AAA, hit .265 at AA (51 games) and now holds .276 average
- Jamie Hoffman – minor league free agent signing in March, batting .267
- Jai Miller – oh wait, he was doing terribly and was sent down to AA
So there is the “depth.”
Ford is an older player who is finding recent success at the plate, but without much success in the past in the big leagues, it is hard imagining he would prove to be more than a AAAA replacement at this time in Baltimore. Avery needs more seasoning at AAA, even the rest of 2012. He showed signs of solid on base skills and great speed in his quick stint with the big league club, but definitely needs some fine tuning against higher level pitching. Hoes just got promoted to AAA recently, hasn’t hit the lights out of the ball at either level played for, and should be kept down on the farm for the rest of 2012. Hoffman is the definition of AAAA, if not worse. And so is Miller.
Sure, the Orioles may still be winning games and keeping up in the AL East, but it is becoming quite obvious that Nick Markakis’ presence is missed. The lineup would be much more formidable if Markakis were back in it and the only spot to really fill was left field. Not to mention his spot in the batting order, third, in which all Orioles not named Markakis are hitting .180 (16-89) in his absence. And the guys who play right field while Markakis is out? They are hitting .157 (13-83) with only one home run.
Maybe the depth in this organization needs to be tinkered with a bit, and if the Orioles become true buyers at the 2012 trade deadline, acquiring a legitimate outfielder may be just what this team needs to spark the offense and keep the defense on track.
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Great stuff. I still would have kept Avery up. I think it’s on the hitting coach to help him work out of it, but looking at the hitting for the entire team recently, he doesn’t appear to be doing much of anything.
Outfield depth? WTF? They have had 8 outfielders. How many do they have to have to have depth?
Spy has depth with only 2 inches…I have depth with 9, it’s all a state of mind.
Yea,,,,,,,,your inches are in your mind and most likely haven’t been too many other places except Cowman’s man cave……….
My mind to your hand Spy. As the Intimdator already noted, you hang around Dunkin Donuts handing out handys…
At least I can carry two cups of coffee and a dozen donuts when I’m naked………….
I would have kept Avery up to if:
he could bunt
did not strike out so much
could hit a fastball
could hit a breaking ball
could hit a curve ball
could hit….
did not meet Spy so often a DD…oh that is Reimold….
Duquette says “So I wouldn’t be too anxious to look outside the organization because we’ve got a lot of good players here, but we’re always looking”.
Avi Miller says “Of course, Duquette had to give a mostly political answer to those inquiries, partially because it is against MLB rules to discuss players in other organizations publicly and also because he cannot truthfully share his particular thoughts with the fanbase before moves are made”.
WTF? Really Avi? Those are your reasons for why Duquette made that statement? Come on!!! That’s why I hate reading garbage where people won’t state the real facts! You got freaking orange blinders on.
The real reason he said about looking within the organization is because Angelos will not allow him to pursue high dollar players and/or trade the 95% garbage that is in the Orioles minor leagues. Just like the past 14 years, the Orioles will only pickup injured, released, guys who haven’t played in 2 years (Nick Johnson), or cheap players. NOT because he has to give a politically correct answer. Does 98 year old Jamie Moyer or decrepit Miquel Tejada come to mind? Yeah, they were released but they were also signed. Just like I say what they pickup.
This year the Orioles are doing fairly well and have been at or are close to 1st place but as you see there is no movement on trading for some players that will push them towards the post season.
Look for the obscure minor league pickup or old player that as usual, the Orioles will overbill as a star player.
Look for the Orioles to get a Kevin Millwood, Jerry Hairston Jr., Cory Patterson, Pudge Rodriquez or Scott Rolen.
Aaaaannnnnnnddddd I pegged it!!!! The Orioles traded for Jim Thome! A 41 year old DH (How many slow, non-fielding DH players the Orioles have now?), who was injured and is cheap!
DAMN! I pegged it earlier this afternoon!
Do you know the last 3 players the Orioles either signed as a Free Agent or traded for combine for 128 years of age?
Moyer – 49
Tejada – 38 (But might be 3-4 years older)
Thome -41
Maybe Palmer and Brother Lo (John Lowenstein) can still play…
And please stop with the Orioles could trade for Zack Greinke, Matt Garza, Alfonzo Soriano, etc garbage… It ain’t happening…
Orioles play decent this year and Angelos still won’t pay for any good players… What a pity! And should show you fans that even in a good year Angelos ain’t giving out money. He’ll rake in your money but still give you a bad product…
Do you know what the Orioles making the playoffs would have done for the Baltimore fans? It would have been great! But it ain’t happening with Angelos.
Thome was 12 for 36 in interleague play with 4 homeruns. They got him free basically giving up two turds. If he helps them win five games, it’ll be worth it.
And MGW Thome is hitting what? .242 and was strictly a bench player… He has 62 at bats with 21 strikeouts on the year.
That’s the thing with you Oriole Blinder fans and quite frankly I find it odd that you are becoming one because you usually see both ways. To justify the trade you break Thome’s season down into 36 at bats during interleague play. If Thome did decent for 6 at bats you would say Thome was 5 for 6 with a dinger and 3 ribbies against the Padres.
Who is next? Jason Giambi?
Shows your lack of baseball knowledge.
You do realize there is no DH in the National League, right?
If Thome has ANYTHING left, he’ll make Jones, Wieters, and Markakis all that much better as he could still be a deep threat.
The move cost them a couple of bum single A players who had no future in the organization, especially the catcher.
Os DHs are terrible this year and this can only be a win. If he doesn’t work out, what have you lost?
Shows my lack of baseball knowledge? Really? You just said that to me and you’ve known me for 25 years… Where am I lacking? Because I said he’s strictly a bench player? And you came back with “You do realize there is no DH in the National League?”.
That just solidifies my point of the Orioles stockpiling cheap, over the hill, old, can’t field players.
My point and you should know this because of us always talking is that this is the only route the Orioles will go. THE ORIOLES WILL NOT get an above average, young, decent player such as Zach Greinke, Matt Garza or such. Those guys are too expensive for Angelos.
BTW, did you get my text about the Weaver statue?
All this time I thought the Intimidator and MGW were the same guy…shows what I know. I guess The Intimidator and Spy might be the same guy. BSR, you have got to get all of us together so I can meet these guys. I bet The Intimidator is 5’3″ and built like a guy and that picture is his biker friend. we just need to go to a place where a 15 yr old can go. Dave and Busters maybe.
The Orioles farm system is not robust enough to land someone like Garza in a trade without totally mortgaging the future.
Teams aren’t dumb, they aren’t going to give away top flight players unless getting something in return, and not just your garbage.
Also, Angelos has $86 mil invested in Jones, $66 mil in Markakis, $60 mil in Roberts, $22 mil in Hardy, you do know that, right?
$66mil in Markakis because Angelos loves Markakis
$60mil in Roberts because Angelos loves Roberts
$86mil in Jones because Angelos HAD to sign him or the fans would have revolted
$22mil in Hardy which is cheap for a SS and God knows the Orioles were in need of one and there were none on the market
Come on and take the blinders off. You have even mentioned the Markakis and Roberts signings years ago as what I said above.
Peace gentlemen peace,,,,,,,,,,,you are just frustrated as I am because the O’s are finally ‘in the hunt’ and won’t pull the trigger for a decent pitcher and position player who actually plays in the field,,,,,,,,,,,these two things are needed to get the O’s through the dog days of August and remain in the hunt , but they simply will not pull the trigger,,,,,,,,,Once again Angelos has teased the fans and screwed them in the end (9inch will like that phrase),,,,,,,,,,,,don’t let Peter the Great separate you guys , stay true to yourselves and understand Angelos is the enemy , not each other………PEACE………..
WTF? Spy, I like what you are saying. Is this really Spy?
Yea , it’s really me and funny thing , I was getting ready to comment on some of your recent comments ( not the jail ones ) and how I’m starting to understand your way of thinking , scary huh?…………..