Asking around Baltimore, and every fan has a different opinion on Joe Flacco- at times it gets as contentious as deciding if a crab cake is better broiled or fried (broiled, by the way, and yes it is that time of year when one desperately misses crab). There are those who argue he is one of the great quarterbacks in the NFL, and others who ask, “So do you think Jake Locker will be available?” Let’s just say there is a spectrum. 2010 was a season when Flacco undoubtedly improved, and I do not believe it can be entirely attributed to the addition of new offensive weapons in Anquan Boldin and T.J. Housmanzadeh. In his third season, Flacco set career highs for yardage, touchdowns, and quarterback rating, and threw just 5 interceptions over the last 14 games of the season. He also was sacked more than any other time in his career and lost 4 fumbles. But as anyone who is down on Flacco will tell you, a look at the stats is deceiving when taken alone.
The Ravens quarterback continues to have the same problems that have plagued him throughout his career. Despite having a cannon for an arm, his accuracy on deep routes has been lacking, regularly forcing his receivers to slow down or even stop to make an attempt on the ball. Derrick Mason’s would-be catch against the Steelers in the Divisional Round comes immediately to mind. He holds onto the ball too long, though this one is more difficult to prove. Given that fans only get to see one part of the field at a time, it is difficult to know for certain how often Flacco is refusing to throw and how often there are no receivers open. That said, there is little excuse for not throwing the ball away after 4 seconds in the pocket and taking a sack. Moreover, Flacco ought to be at the stage of his career that he can throw the ball anticipating an opening rather than waiting for the opening to show up before he attempts the throw. He doesn’t exclusively bear the burden for sack numbers that were inflated by the absence of a true right tackle and general lack of talent on the offensive line, but those issues remain.
There are areas where Flacco showed a marked improvement over 2008 and 2009 simply by the eyeball test. I railed on him before the season for being unwilling or unable to throw accurately over the middle, choosing either to force Todd Heap up in the air or sailing over everyone’s head and into the waiting arms of a safety. Teams knew that if they controlled the sideline, Flacco would be unable to make a play over the middle third of the field. That changed this season, and whether it was due to his mentality, mechanics, or the presence of Anquan Boldin, one of the premier receivers over the middle, it was a tremendous catalyst for the passing game. He also did a much better job of finding his receivers. In 2009. Derrick Mason and Ray Rice had 73 and 78 receptions, respectively. The next highest was Todd Heap with 53 followed by a major drop-off to Mark Clayton and Kelley Washington. In 2010, Mason and Rice had 61 and 63 receptions, but the ball was spread out better with Boldin hauling in 64 catches, Heap with 40, and a host of other receivers and backs getting into the act.
Joe Flacco didn’t prove himself to be among the NFL’s elite class of quarterbacks in 2010 as some Flacco fans believe. But I am not sure why Ravens fans are so demanding Peyton Manning or bust under center. For a team that hasn’t exactly been spoiled for talent at the quarterback position, Flacco remains better than most. Yes he takes too many sacks, throws erratically in the two minute offense, and checks down too quickly. All are areas he can yet improve, especially if the offensive line improves and Cam Cameron adopts some sort of cohesive play-calling. The regression of the offensive line, and running game cannot be dropped at Flacco’s feet.
But all of that aside, Flacco remains a very good but not elite quarterback, and that’s okay. He is far from the stratosphere of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning, but remains in a solid class amongst the second tier with Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Matt Cassel, and Tony Romo (in no particular order). He is also still getting better. On a Ravens team that hasn’t had a halfway decent quarterback in its entire existence; I think I can live with that for now.
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Uhh…Peyton Manning's QB rating was significantly worse this year than Joe Flacco….Peyton has always been previously an elite quarterback….but age catches up with everybody.
I think it is a bit too early to knock Manning out of the elite QBs. He also had half of his receivers (Dallas Clark, Austin Collie, etc) and at times all three running backs (Addai, Hart, and Brown) out for big portions of the season. One bad season doesn't erase that.
Flacco threw over the middle to Boldin? In which preseason games?
I can think of two examples of TD passes off the top of my head- Chiefs playoff game and the first Browns game. I would have to do some research to come up with more specific examples. He was underutilized there, but this season was a step in the right direction.
Flacco is great…his coaches aren't so great. Who tries to run a vertical passing game with a group of slow WR? Who basically ignored Ray Rice all season? How many slants did Q catch this past season? One or two? Why did Zorn get fired?
Harbaugh reminds me of a politician… he is much more interested in spinning things to benefit his reeleaction campaign and less interested in implementing the solution to things. He is also a dictator. How many players sit in his doghouse week after week?
Finally, where is that extension for Harbaugh? Mr. Bisciotti is no dummy. He knows what time it is.
Good luck next season… it will be a long one if Harbs and Cam are still leading this offense.
QB rating is a joke. Go look at Vince Young's rating this year before got hurt. There are so many flaws in the system that it's not worth getting into.
Expatriate:
I think was MGW is referring to is throwing across the middle when the team is in between the 20s. And not deep balls but 20 yard type throws. It's pretty obvious that Flacco still isn't comfortable doing that.
The reason Flacco is so polarizing, IMO at least, is because most criticism of him is met with astonishing resistance from many fans. I've had people tell me that Joe is just as good as Ben R but Ben R is "lucky". When you face arguments like that it's hard to have a legit conversation about Flacco.
Flacco is a good QB. But he's got a ton to work on.
He isn't "great" by any means.
Great QBs don't do what he's done in his 7 playoff games. They just don't.
I was with you till the end.
For one, how many third-year QBs have not only played in 7 play-off games but played amazingly well in all of them? I can't think of any. Secondly, Joe wasn't horrible against the Dolphins his rookie season or against the Chiefs this year. He was average to downright terrible in the others but let's not pretend he's stunk it up in all of the play-off games.
I think was MGW is referring to is throwing across the middle when the team is in between the 20s. And not deep balls but 20 yard type throws. It's pretty obvious that Flacco still isn't comfortable doing that.
Exactly, Mark.
How many third year QBs who started from the beginning had a defense and a running game like Flacco has had?
Most QBs who start that early play for dog teams.
And I stand by what I said. If you're gonna call the guy "great" then how do you explain his overall playoff performances? The Miami playoff game was won by running and the defense.
He's played "well" in one out of 7 playoff games. And that was at KC.
Take a look at Mark Sanchez's playoff games. They have both played all of their games on the road which is weird.
Sanchez (4-2 in 6 games): 60.5%/1155 yds/ 9 TD/ 3 INT
Flacco (4-3 in 7 games): 53.3%/1050 yds/4 TD/ 7 INT
Flacco has had 7 total playoff games. The only performance you can chalk up as good was this year vs KC. He didn't stink up the joint vs Miami? What then, does 9 for 23 for 135 yds qualify as? Come on. You can't possibly spin that.
And I won't bring up his record vs Pit (with Ben)/Ind/NE. Because it's beyond abysmal.
Joe Flacco is doing fine, he will progress more and more, and by his fifth year will be among the leage elite… That said, if Baltimore does not appreciate him, another team will – he is from NJ and Jets and Giants fans, both very good teams with very mediocre QBs, will do whatever it takes to get him.
And that said, Vinny Testaverde (yes, VINNY) did pretty good by the Ravens, and Trent Dilfer did take us to the Super Bowl, so let’s not trash all other Baltimore QBs – maybe it’s time to accept the fact, Brady, Manning, etc. (and I question putting Brees in that group, BTW) are the exceptions – we are lucky to have as good a QB as we have in Joe.
If you don't want Joe in Baltimore, give him back to New York/Jersey, where he's from – the Jets and Giants are great teams with QBs that, IMHO, are not as good as Flacco – don't want him? We do!
Jetboy, that is an interesting thought.I have to admit I want nothing with Sanchez but Manning in B'morecould be interesting.
Evan is right, Bisciotti has quite the dilemma. He knows in his heart that Harbaugh is NOT the right guy right now. He could be, but he is NOT right now. Most of his star players are veterans, some on their last legs, and he has a coach with an over glorified regular season record. He alienates his players – evidenced by the Steeler Week fiasco and countless other issues that slowly leak out, but "Joe From Essex", the "Six Pack" fan sees a guy who "took them to the playoffs all 3 seasons". Great, but as Evan pointed out, if he's so GREAT, where's the extension? Oh, he'll get one, no doubt in my mind, but Biscuit is working him over the coals right now to change his smugness and arrogance. ____I still predict this announcement – "Harbaugh gets a new 3 year, $12 million dollar deal. We've torn up the last year of his contract and gave him a new three year deal".____"Joe from Essex" will not realize that he only got a two year extension and Biscuit minimizes his risks with his cavalier coach and spins the right PR to the average fan.____
He got the standard 3 year extension added on.
We have three more years of competitive football to look forward to. Not championship football, competitive.
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The 3 years were extended to current deal.
Eli is a great guy (so it Joe), but if you like inconsistant play, and more INTs than Joe, let's get the papers out and do the switch – surely Tom and Harbs will go fo it – no? I know the NY media would be favorable toward it…