Well Orioles fans, David Hernandez will be your fifth starter in the rotation following Chris Tillman’s move to AAA Norfolk. This comes as a surprise to many as Tillman was essentially handed the job in March, though the coaches allowed for a good amount of competition between Tillman, Hernandez, and Jason Berken. Oddly enough, David Hernandez didn’t have an ERA much worse than Tillman’s last year, yet received a lot more harsh criticism than the 21-year-old phenom did during the season. That might be connected to the fact that Hernandez was never considered the level of prospect that Tillman was, and didn’t benefit from the publicity that the Seattle prospect did following the Bedard trade a couple years ago. He’ll get that attention now.
When looking at the two players’ spring training performances, I try not to read too much into it (as I have stated many times before. However, a few things do stand out. Tillman consistently struggled with his command, with a 1-1 walks-strikeouts ratio. That will not get it done in the regular season, and probably alarmed the coaching staff more than his ERA, which was quite good taken on its own. He may have sealed up the spot he was essentially given were it not for the lights-out innings that Hernandez pitched. He allowed just three walks to twenty strikeouts in his 15 innings of work, and had movement and command of all of his pitches. The decision was not that surprising if you take the names off of the back of the jersey- Tillman just wasn’t ready yet for the season to start, and with a week to go, Hernandez was.
The fifth starter is going to be incredibly important in the first month and a half, when the O’s take on an incredibly difficult schedule (overall the 2nd toughest in the majors) and have few days off. The coaching staff couldn’t take a chance with the inconsistency of Chris Tillman and had to go with the guy who did about as well last season, despite his 4-10 record. This move also has implications beyond the starting rotation. Hernandez’s promotion almost assures Jason Berken of a role as the long man in the bullpen and may open up yet another spot. Hernandez wasn’t going to go back to Norfolk- it was going to be either the bullpen or the rotation in Baltimore.
If you recall, Chris Tillman was brought up out of necessity, months sooner than the front office had hoped to bring him along- this trip to Norfolk will give him the experience he didn’t get last season and probably help him for the future. Don’t be mistaken, Tillman will be in Baltimore at some point this summer. When he is, he will be ready and a much better pitcher than he is now.
I’m reminded of when David Hernandez was pitching at AA Bowie and my brother and I went to a game there to see Brad Bergesen, Nolan Reimold, and Matt Wieters. It was autograph day before the game and my brother and I were in line at a table that featured David Hernandez and a relief pitcher whose name escapes me. When I got up to the line for the reliever, he looked at me and said “What the heck do you want my autograph for? That guy [Hernandez] is going to be great.” Now Hernandez has a chance to prove it.
I am a bit surprised by this move. I have no problem with it, but I assumed that Hernandez might be being transitioned to the pen at some point. Tillamn does need to work on his location with his fb in particular. And figure out how to use his new cutter.
Looks like Chad Moeller is going to be cut too. Craig Tatum appears to be the guy backing up Wieters.
I am not sure Hernandez was going to make the OD roster out of the pen. If you assume 12 man pitching staff. I thought the 7 relievers were going to be Gonzalez, Johnson, Mickolio, Ohman, Hendrickson, Albers, and Meredith.
I give Guthrie 4 starts.. If he continues to be ineffective, You will See Tillman back quicky. Guthrie will probably either be cut or head to the pen.There will be a lot of pressure on Guthrie to perform well, not sure if he can handle it. I am not bashing him and I hope he does turn it around, but I will be surprised if he does.
rwash, I think lots of fans echo your thoughts. The pressure is definitely on for Guthrie to perform. I'm not sure that Tillman brings a whole lot more at this time though. All of these guys should be worried though because there are guys down on the farm that are beating down the door to keep up in Baltimore.
Interesting thoughts…. I've always assumed we are just stuck with Guthrie. But I guess you are right, why pay someone a lot of money to struggle when you can let younger guys get experience.
Unfortunately, I don't think the Orioles have the same mentality. They aren't going to stick these young guys in there to get burned when they can allow them to develop in the minors while Guthrie holds their spot.
Put Guthrie at the back of the rotation.
He's gonna get crushed wherever he is and the O's will be in a bigger hole because of it.
This organization says it's about wins. Well if that's the case, Guthrie shouldn't be in the rotation.
Part of the plan?
Based on what he has done int he last 3 years, Guthrie at least deserves a shot to get himself straightened out in the regular season. I agree that if he can't get it together the hook should be quick.
Jeff
Last season was a complete disaster for Guthrie and there have been zero sign that anything has changed.
It's gonna be brutal and it's easy to see it coming.
This story very much reminds me of Brad Bergesen's last season. A guy that almost made it out of Spring Training, but worked his tail off in AAA and came up when Alfredo Simon went down. I'm not saying someone will go down. But competition is always a good thing. It will make both Hernandez and Tillman work even harder than before.
Z-Man, nice parallel. Just not sure why they appear to be handling Tillman with so much caution.
He's 22. They've got to preserve his confidence and make him feel like he earned his roster spot in the bigs.
Zach
If they keep Guthrie for more than a few starts with the way he is pitching, they will have lost what little credibility they have left with the few fans who care.
"It's about wins" and "Your starting pitcher Jeremy Guthrie" doesn't exactly have a ring to it.
He did.
He clearly outperformed Guthrie.
Guthrie has tenure. If you put Tillman out there, who didn't earn his spot in the rotation, and he gets shelled you risk injuring his confidence. Which is tough to heal.
You give the spot to Hernandez and it makes Hernandez work harder to keep it and Tillman work harder to bump someone out.
It's ok to say that this move makes sense.
It's also OK to realize that trotting Guthrie out there means that winning really isn't the top priority this season.
Guaranteeing a spot in the rotation to Guthrie says a whole lot.
I agree that Jeremy's homerun-giving-up-ability is bad. Everyone knows that. But I feel like overnight he's become the worst pitcher in big league in the eyes of Orioles fans.
His numbers last year were bad, but in 2008 he was 10-12 with a 3.63 ERA. So what you don't let the guy try to rebound?
If he doesn't start the season well he'll be gone. But giving him a chance doesn't show a sign of weakness at all.
Guthrie's biggest challenge appears to be in his own head. With the brutal schedule the Orioles have in the first month or so, he could be shell shocked. Four games at the Bronx Wind Tunnel in early May could be his last hurrah.
I agree with you STD, NOW that the contract pressure is OFF and the WBC is history…time to put last year to rest and concentrate on whatever worked two years ago. I think a couple of good outings and Jeremy will be okay and IF not Tillmen will get his innings at AAA and be waiting. Speaking of waiting, I proposed a fantasy trade, what say you?
So…. one of the great minor leaguers that the O's overhype and the fans buy into it is sent to the minors when he was to be in the Majors… Wow, one down…
Zach says "there are guys down on the farm that are beating down the door to keep up in Baltimore". WTF? Are you drunk Zach? Other than maybe 1 clown, who else is beating down the door? Paco Figuerero? Scott Moore? Maybe Josh Bell (Remember him? You should because you were one of the guys who hyped him after his 2 dingers in the 1st preseason game only to see him not hit any more and hitting is supposed to be his forte) or maybe 31 year old Dennis Sarfate!
Zach, I thought your father was bad but you are the biggest person who has been brainwashed by the Orioles as they overhype the team. Zach, Zach, do not go into the orange & black light, it will screw up your mind….
For some reason they are treating TIllman like some delicate little flower. Also, he's 22 years old. Was your career over after you threatened Jeff Norris at age 22? NO, you came back and managed Potato Head and Wings for many more successful years.
Bell was never in the plans for this year, he was in double A last year for goodness sakes.
Too late 2488.
There's nothing wrong with starting Tillman at AAA. They brought these guys up early last season because they had to, not they can afford to let them grow. He's 21 years old!
The Nats even sent Strasburg down…and no no no no NO I don't think Tillman is Strasburg. But my point is that the confidence these guys get from dominating at a lower level is underestimated!
Zach
Have the Nationals talked about this year being about wins?
Nope, they haven't.
Once again you seem to fall in line with the warehouse mantra.
Why the surprise re: Tillman in the minors…Ol' Bruz (*) has already opined about Freakishly Tall Pitchers, of which young Mr. Tillman certainly qualifies, take three years to develop, it ever…
(*) Z-Man…Any chance we can get "The Bruz's" screen name changed to "Ol' Bruz"?
Thanx!
I've been using that argument actually Bruz. You called it, but I think Tillman will be back…at least I hope so!
So you want your intensedebate name to be changed to Ol' Bruz?…I'll look into it and see if I can figure it out!
Ol' Bruz would be preferred as the New Name for The Bruz…Thanx, Z-Man!
Sure no problem? Are you commenting with a username or just as a guest? If you're commenting as a guest, you should be able to change your name whenever you please.
Bruz did call it.
They don't have to. My point is that good pitchers go to AAA or in Strasburg's case AA to build confidence.
I know how it works.
The point is the Orioles are gonna trot out a guy who can't throw strikes and gives up HR's at a ridiculous rate and they claim it's time to win.
Go take a look around the league. There is no reason Tillman can't be a part of this rotation.
I've heard enough of the "protecting his confidence" stuff. Hell, the kid was up here last year, he's got a taste. If he's that fragile in the mind then he'll never be any good anyway.
Take a look at a guy like Tommy Hanson.
Tillman was in line for the 5th starters spot. And he didn't pitch poorly at all.
There's no reason he can't be in this rotation.
But he'll be in the minors and we'll all get to see Guthrie get pounded into submission.
I cannot fathom how you take this kind of garbage in stride.
I really need to stop reading the comments. Some of you guys are so negative I think you enjoy watching the O's lose. It's just not healthy to be a sports fan without some optimism or hope. Though I do know Yankee fans who manage to rip everything their organization does, even after they win. After 12 losing seasons I understand looking on the dark side of every move, but calm down, the season hasn't even started.
If you are going to be this pessimistic about all your teams then just take a break from sports, find a hobby that makes you happy for a little bit…
Sheila. I don't know if that's easy. I golf, but its a hard game, and I get frustrated. I usedta bowl, and wouldn't enjoy throwing a good ball and getting a split, or sliding the 16-pound rock off the lane while just missing the 10-pin spare. I usedta play slo-pitch softball, where even while raking at a .625 clip, that meant I still was flying out more than once every three times up. I was a season ticket holder for the Orioles for nearly 20 years — all too often receiving correspondence from the club addressed "Dear Season Ticket Holder" instead of "Dear Mr. First Name Last Name". I've been detained at the Flag Court Entrance for early batting practice c'uz the jackarse (excuse my French!) ticket taker coudn't tell my $80 Ticket, 2nd Row behind the O's Dugout, was a "Season Ticket". I could go on for an hour about this Club has sucked the joy out of "The Orioles of my youth". That said, I still like baseball, and generally enjoy going to games now and then, and talking about them always. I believe I do so, for the most part, honestly. If anyone has earned the right to be honest (and if that also means "negative", then so be it), I think its me. And isn't that really what sports blogs are all about? Things are not "Polyanna" in Birdland. Haven't been in more than a decade. If you wan't that sugar-coated, then feel free to tune in to the O's Broadcasts, where the Talent is mandated to speak glowingly about the club. Optimism and hope have no place in Baltimore Sports! 🙂 Hey Shiela, if your going on Opening Day, stop by Section 1 and say Hi — I'll be the 220-pounder in the O's Orange Batting Practice Jersey, weather permitting!
Sheila aka The Voice of Reason
Sports are supposed to be a diversion we look forward to, not a hassle or something further to aggravate us in life. Opening Day to me is like a holiday…I feel like I get two holidays this year as I'll be in Tampa for the opener there, and then back in Baltimore for the home opener. At some point in the season, reality will hit me and the losses will mount, but the bottom line is, I don't have a nickel in it. No food gets taken off my table if they lose 100 games, my kids are too old to cry over losses anymore, and if it gets real bad, I just switch the channel and watch repeats of The Office.
I want the Orioles, Ravens, and Terps to win more than anybody, and it's certainly fun to debate, but I'll never let it dictate my mood.
The comment police out and about!!
Zach (Now better known as "Lil STD") says about Guthrie – "His numbers last year were bad, but in 2008 he was 10-12 with a 3.63 ERA. So what you don't let the guy try to rebound?"
Again, WTF???? You make like 2008 was a great year for Guthrie! Zach, 10-12 is not a good record. His numbers of 10-12 ARE bad. So he has always been bad. Don't give me the ERA song & dance (and if you do give me a song make sure its "Ice, Ice, Baby") because this game is about wins & losses.
First you are going to be watching the AL East race for 4th place between the O's and Jays and now you consider a 10-12 record a good year. Did your old man bang "mediocre" into your head when you were a pup?
Were you proud Zach that you got a "Participation" trophy in Little League Baseball when you were 10? Did STD proudly display it on the mantle for all to see? Wanting the neighbors to see that even though his precious son didn't get a 1st place trophy he did get the equally popular "Participation" trophy…
My brother Pole, you agree?
Really, the only thing an AL pitcher has a modicum of control over are his ERA and more specifically his WHIP. Wins and losses are what teams are judged by, but I can name a quite a few pitchers whose W/L record doesn't reflect how well they pitch or how poorly they pitch.
Having said that, Guthrie flat-out stunk last year, but had respectable numbers in 2008.
Thanks. I was going to say the same thing about wins and losses. That tells you more about the club than the pitcher. Look at ERA.
I agree STG
W/L is just like the Gold Glove. Overrated.
Again, great minds think alike.
Hey STD, Whats this Mark guy your little lackey? Follows you like a pup? He sounds like your lover, "I agree STG"…
What do the baseball specialists recognize the most? W/L… Thats why you hear "So & So was a 20 game winner" or "So & So was 9 & 15 last year"…
You clowns, STD, Lil STD & STD Wannabe (Mark) are so Oriole blind its pitiful. You are happy rooting for a 4th place Division Crown and now a 10-12 season was a good year. You guys love mediocrety… Everytime you are busted by myself or Poleman for something Oriole related you come up with an excuse like STD Wannabe stated about W/L being overrated. Next I'll hear you clowns tlaking about the game is not played for the WS Trophy but for the fun… Thats what happens when you have been in the can for the past 12 years!
You OBVIOUSLY haven't read Mark's posts.
I gotta defend Mark, we don't always agree, but he can defend his points pretty darned well.
Hey 2488
Those 5 hour energy drinks aren't supposed to be taken hourly.
To even suggest that I'm happy with the Orioles or what they are doing is laughable.
Do you read what I write?
Mark, chill, I'm messing with STD. I know you have mostly the same feelings I have about the O's. I was just being fasecious (sp).
It was a play on Zach mimicing STD's every word and feeling…
I do like the 5 hour energy drink comment, that was good..
I'm not a big fan of five hour energy myself.
But it's laughable that you think I mimic STG's every move. We don't see eye to eye on plenty of issues. For instance, the one in this very post.
Zach – my comments are going through that approval process again. I'm not going to write if they don't appear in realtime
Sorry about that. Probably one too many STD's for the spam filter. You're all set now.
Lil STD, I'm not a fan of yours or JuJuBees! I like Lemonheads and those little wax bottles with juice in them. Oh, and wax lips.
Ravens2488, even though we don't see eye to eye, I'm a big fan of yours. I like kinder eggs with Star Wars toys in them, or a really cool hot wheels car.
Thats because your taller then me "Lil STD"… why we don't see eye to eye…
Pudding cups are good, I like them… and string cheese.
I'm with you on string cheese. Butterscotch pudding is by far the cream of the crop.