A Counterpoint to “Unpopular Opinion”
I must be misinformed. I thought that going to see your favorite team play in the heat of a pennant race was fun, and essentially the whole payoff of rooting for a team in the first place. Apparently it’s a burden on par with court imposed community service or jury duty.
There is one thing I agree with in the “Unpopular Opinion” article. Nobody should be forced into going to Orioles games. So Mr. Ripken, please stop sitting outside area houses staring menacingly at people. Now, let’s move on to why I disagree with its take on the Orioles attendance issue.
Many seem to be acting as though it’s the free will of people not to attend Orioles games. Of course it is, we live in America. Free will is a guaranteed right. However, free will is a much better defense in the case of, say, somebody asking you to shove a lit firecracker up your ass. I would imagine that most people don’t enjoy shoving lit firecrackers up their asses. Hopefully nobody is pointing a gun to your head, there are no consequences if you don’t do it and some dire consequences if you do. So most people would politely turn down the offer and extinguish the firecracker.
But – and I can testify to this as a baseball fan – going to an Orioles game isn’t unpleasant. It’s going to watch an exciting team in a great stadium that most attendees presumably root for. Of course, the free will card is still in play, but it’s an extremely flimsy argument. If you’re a huge Red Hot Chili Peppers fan, and they’re playing right down the street for $20 a night, you can exercise your free will, not go to the concert, and not enjoy yourself. Sounds like a fantastically masochistic evening.
A more reasonable response would be “I have work” or “it’s too far from where I live”, which would be completely legitimate arguments. I miss 90% of the Orioles games this season because I work for the Nationals at the exact same time. But people everywhere work. People in St. Louis work, and they fill an average of 92.6% of their stadium with essentially the same metro population as Baltimore. People in Boston work, but the Red Sox played to a full house against fellow awful team Kansas City on Friday (I was there, it sounded like a playoff game).
As “Unpopular Opinion” said, there are a variety of factors that influence park attendance. “Clever Marketing” makes up about 2% of the pie. Considering I usually spend $20 on first row tickets to watch a winning team, I’ll go ahead and check off the “competitively priced” box. Where the O’s usually fall short is delivering on the product. Everyone knows the history, if you don’t, any cynical Orioles fan will tell you: 14 consecutive losing seasons, haven’t been relevant since Smashmouth was.
The argument that Orioles need to “win their fans back” barely held water in April, and at this point there are now exactly 72 holes in it. This may come as a surprise; teams lose, even the good ones. The Yankees have won 27 World Series, they also had 4 consecutive losing seasons from 1989-1993. The Boston Celtics had 8 consecutive losing seasons in the 90’s. When those teams got back on their feet, fans didn’t pull the bitter ex-girlfriend and wait to be showered with pennants before gracing the team with their presence.
But let’s get back to the free will argument. It’s correct to say that Orioles fans can exercise their free will and not come to games. It would also be correct to say that free agents can exercise their free will and choose to play in a stadium where fans come to watch a winning team. And if we want to go deeper, Peter Angelos could exercise his free will and sell the team to a place where people will actually support it.
“Please don’t be shamed into feeling like you missed Election Day or something because you didn’t buy a bleacher seat and a crab cake.” “It’s not anyone’s duty or obligation to go to a sporting event.” Of course it’s not. The reason people go to see games at Camden Yards isn’t because of a government mandate, it’s because most of them like watching the team. What a crazy concept. Blaming the consumers is apt here, because the O’s have produced an exemplary product. For the majority of their existence, the Cubs have been selling their fans on a wonderful tradition of losing, and Wrigley Field averages 89% attendance with a legitimate alternative in the same city!
You shouldn’t be bullied into coming to Camden Yards. You shouldn’t have to be. The team is winning, the long maligned ownership has been exceptional within the last year, not only with player acquisitions but by keeping ticket prices low. This season is why you stuck with the Orioles for so long; it’s the payoff. Because after all of the losing seasons, all of the expectations not met in the 90’s, and all of the justified frustration, you finally have the best kind of team. One that had no expectations to fall short of that is putting together one of the more improbable and amazing seasons in team history.
Camden Yards used to have routinely outstanding attendance numbers, and people aren’t significantly more busy than they were 15 years ago. So I’ll end with this; would your life be more enjoyable if you stopped creating excuses and just went to watch a great team play baseball once in a while?
I intentionally mentioned that I wasn’t an Orioles fan. You may call me a fan for writing this, but I’m so confident in my lack of fandom that your fandom questioning doesn’t impact the fan that I am. Those two sentences were nearly indecipherable.
The Fantasy God completely supports this stance. It is foolish to think anything different. It is everyone’s responsibility to show support for their team and show up to the games. Not doing so is a reflection of a poor fan base. As Patrick alluded to, St. Louis can somehow sell out every game. It’s because they have a top-tier fan base. Baltimore simply does not. I love the Orioles. Always will. I do not love the fan base. I am ashamed to be a part of it. But not because of the team. It’s because of the people. Any opposing mind set proves the “Balti-moron” attitude. Not all people are this way, but a huge chunk of them are. All stereotypes are based upon truth. It’s the Balti-morons that make us all look bad. Get off your high horses and show up to watch a winning team. It’s your duty as a fan.
Not sure who I agree with more, Patrick or Mark. The Baltimore fan base is one of the worst in all of sports.
Over a 25 year period, the Orioles boasted the best winning percentage in ALL of sports, yet failed to sell out playoff or world series games.
Only when we became disenfranchised with our football team evntually running them out of town because we didn’t like the owner (sound familiar) did we finally jump on the Orioles bandwagon – for a little while.
Then we built a gem of a ballpark and people flocked there…again, for a while.
This is just not a baseball town. I am a dyed in the wool Orioles fan and a baseball fan and I can tell you, this is not a baseball town, make all the excuses you want.
The great unwashed mob of Baltimore is only smart enough to comprehend “foo ball” as they call it. It’s once a week, mindless, and you can eat wings and get blotto drunk…Baltimore traditions.
There’s too much thinking in baseball…too many games for the feeble mind to comprehend. Baltimore attention spans are much too short for baseball.
We’ve never been a baseball town. Sorry, folks.
How big is the play book in baseball , oh thats right , the game is so simple they don’t need one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,compared to the playbook in football I would say that makes baseball a game for dummies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we actually agree on one thing ‘ Baltimore is not a baseball town , it is a football town”……………..
Boy , is this guy spy a smart one , he is making MGW look like the pretender he is , he really fooled me for a short time , but I get it now…
spy, I think I didn’t get my point across. Not saying that the game of football is mindless, but following it is. It’s once a week, most people pretend to watch it in a sports bar or other establishment, and at the end of the game most say “who won?” because you can neither see or hear it most of the time or they are so inebra
…inebriated that they have no clue as to what took place. It’s one game a week and easy for a “pink hat” to pretend to “stay on top” of the team.
If you look at most “big league” cities, football is an afterthought…Boston, Chicago, New York, LA, Philly, baseball is king there and football is second fiddle.
Looks like you were inebriated when you posted this comment……………
I don’t understand all the energy attached to attendance figures at Oriole Park, when the Orioles themselves couldn’t care less…No less an authority than Forbes Magazine reported the Orioles ended their abysmal on-the-field record and anemic attendance with a TWELVE MILLION DOLLAR PROFIT…IF the Orioles needed more butts in seats, I’m pretty sure they would work harder to find said butts…They’d try to reconnect with former season ticket holders, like me…They’d rescind their policy of charging a “Game Day Fee” to purchase tickets at the walk-up window…They would’ve acquired Zach Grienke or Ryan Dempster or Shane Victorino vice Randy Wolfe, Joe Saunders, and Lew Ford…But again, the bottom line is their profit margin does not seem linked in any way to butts in seats.
Sorry…Forbes figures reported above were for 2011…
I could care less about big names. I want a winner. How have Greinke and all the Dodgers moves looked for them so far?
They look like a 1/4 billion $$$ move that has not helped the Dodgers one bit. F the fans who don’t come out. I will-o enjoy the game if it’s 1 fan, 10k fans or 40k fans. F the naysayers…..Go Birds!
I agree with incher , you can criticise the ownership if you wish , but if you are missing their good play this year you have missed the boat,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you don’t have to give your dollars to angelos but you have to say this year has been pretty darn interesting for a change.;
Some folks think this is fantasy baseball, whoever gets the “Big Names” wins. Ask Boston how that worked out. Greinke in LA? Looks like a bust so far. That blockbuster (boneheaded) move by the Dodgers?
The same chuckleheads complaining about not getting “big names” would be the same ones chastising the front office if they brought them in and it didn’t work.
Unfortunately, the Dodgers did the RedSox a hug favor by relieving them of those stupid big money deals that they carelessly jumped into.
Greinke and his anxiety issues this weekend in New York pitching for the Orioles?! No thank you. I’ll take my chances with some less talented guys with a better head on their shoulders.
To MGW and all of the other Z. Greinke haters…Two things…1) LA’s Z-Man has finished 7 innings in five of his seven starts for the Halos — Has ANY Oriole pitcher completed 7 innings in five starts in all of 2012?
2) I’ll take LA-Zack against the Oriole SP of your choice…Start-by-start, rest of 2012…Five standard categories: IP, ERA, WHIP, K’s, K/BB Ratio…Each start the winner of a majority of those categories gets a Dollar (or 10 Dollars or a Hunnert Dollars) for the Charity of his choice from the loser. Who’s in?
Fantasy me this! 🙂
I never met a cheeseburger, a Jimmy John’s sub or a bet I did not like. I will take you up on that and go with Chen.
Now we got some action! Only problem is how to settle up…We got two unidentified posters from possibly different states betting #9’s, with everything, hots…I’m gonna havta trust that the system will work and I will get my five subs…
9-Incher / Greinke Haters: LA Z-Man went seven innings on 4 September…His line is shown below, his third outing of 7 IP and 3 runs or less…Good Luck to Chen in his next start…Hello, Jimmy Johns!!!
Date Opp W L SV IP HA ER BBA Ks
08/24 @DET 1 0 0 7.2 5 1 2 5
08/30 BOS 1 0 0 7.0 5 2 2 7
09/04 @OAK 1 0 0 7.0 4 1 2 4
Look, in a nutshell, the reason fans don’t come out is because of Angelos and his minions. Angelos hasn’t cared about the fans for 14 years. Angelos put a garbage package on the field and in the Front Office. The blame for low attendance has to do with Angelos and the shit he did for 14 years.
You put a faulty product out for 14 years and people are not going to buy into it. Its like buying a “Slinky” and the thing doesn’t go down the steps. So for 14 years they do the same thing with the “Slinky” and it still won’t go down those damn steps. Then one year, that “Slinky” is changed and it now goes down the steps. Except people aren’t buying into it yet because, even though that “Slinky” goes down the steps, they want to see long term “Step walking”. “Slinky” has to build up the trust in the consumer for the next few years for them to buy that product. Just like the Orioles, the fan base doesn’t trust what is going on, this being year 1 of a turnaround. Give the turnaround 3+ years and the fans will come back out…
It’s called “Customer Trust 101” and I am your Professor… Call me “Professor Stylin & Profilin”…
Looks like you fall into the “bitter ex girlfriend” mold that is looking to be “showered with pennants” before you’ll come back.
Or more than likely, bitter ex-boyfriend mold….
Only bitter at you Big Boy for dropping me for a romp around the office with Mary Jo…
TOUCHE!
I understand the hate for Angelos, I root for one team whose owner essentially blew all of their money in a Ponzi scheme and another who has the worst owner in all of sports (James Dolan), but at the end of the day, your baseball team is in the playoff hunt. Can’t all of the bullshit be put aside in the name of watching a winning team play baseball?
I’ll watch on TV but won’t give my money to the owner yet… He has to show me before I invest any of my or 9Inchers money into the product..
Not in this town, Patrick.
Got guys predicted 62 wins in March, upping their predictions to 75 in August, and then talking about how bad next year is going to be?!?
I just shake my head and wonder why they even bother. They derive no joy from it and just piss in everyone else’s Cheerios.
No, it doesn’t have to be pennants… Just want to see them committed to putting good players on the field and getting a Free Agent or player in a trade that will help them for some years. I’m not talking the Thome or Quintanilla type and it doesn’t have to be a MAJOR star.
A few guys like Robinson Cano, Hunter Pence, Jay Bruce, Gio Gonzalez, David Price… Not necessary those guys because they are with teams but those TYPE of guys… Fairly young and have a track record of success…
Not old, cheap or lightning in a bottle guys…
Now they look like they have a nice foundation starting so go out and see whats on the market this offseason and pick the type of guys I mentioned…
They got guys like Jones, Wieters, Markakis, Machado, Chris Davis that fit that category and those guys will be around when Bundy and Gausman are called up to the show. So in the next year or two, build with a couple more of those guys… Don’t pour all the money into Josh Hamilton but get 2/3 decent guys for the money you would pay Hamilton…
Ravens24884248 said “Now they look like they have a nice foundation starting:…
Ol’ Bruz said “Maybe Ravens dude should stick to football analysis? O’s do not have a 1B or 2B or LF for 2012 on their current roster for 2012. Nor do they have #1 or #2 SP…Your projected 3B will be the youngest at his position by far and will be hard-pressed to even put up a pedestrian line approaching .260 AVE, .320 OBP, 16 HR, 77 RBIs. The only “foundation” I see is that of a one-room basement apartment over on the West Side…
Finally, for all those who wanna dismiss the statistical anomalies of the O’s 2012 season to date (one run game record, extra inning game record, sub-par run differential, etc.), let it be noted the 1990 Orioles followed up their amazing “Why Not?” season of 1989 by stumbling to a 76 Win Season…Buyer Beware!
Ol Bruz, You either for us or against us! Don’t give a damn about foundation, 97 Marlins had no foundation but a WS. 2003 Marlins had no foundation, 05 White Sox and the 10 Giants had no foundation. They put all their eggs in one basket for a WS win or srtruck lightning in a bottle. I will take either one. Foundation can go to hell for a trip to WS. You are running out of excuses. Still saving a seat on the bandwagon for ya.
Nails,
I know some people who didn’t go to see the Batman movie because they heard the sequel coming out next year wasn’t going to be any good.
There’s a movie out about Batman?
I know there is a movie out about 9Incher and Fiona… It’s called “Fatman & Bobbin”
Wow, O’s run differential against the Big Money Yankees is a +16 this year.
Who gives a damn.
Wins are what matters.
“Wins are what matters”…Quick, Lets take a poll of University of Maryland Football Fans…
One simple question: If you attended yesterday’s game at College Park, how did you feel walking out after the game (assuming you were sober enough to remember)?
A) Man, that was sweet. I am SO impressed at how this team never gave up, how all those freshmen COMPETED, how Randy Edsall how those boys prepared to battle mighty William and Mary for a full sixty-minutes!
B) Relied, I guess, would be the first word that comes to mind. I knew things would be a little rocky with a true freshman under center and a placekicker from that high school hotbed of kickers — Australia — but I guess I didn’t expect that much of a struggle. At least we are 1 and Oh, and I guess that’s better than the alternative.
C) Man, I’m telling you, if you thought last year was dorked up by Coach Edsall, man, that wasn’t nothin’…This team will not win another game this year, and I have NO idea what the Administration sees in him!?!?! I mean, the very fact that Coach Edsall never said goodbye to the guys he coached at his last gig up in the northeast told us all we’ll ever need to know about this dud…I never wanted any bum from UCONN to coach my team, and I sure don’t want him around here no more…Biggest fiasco of a hiring since Bod Wade.
Totally agree………