Needing to add depth to a depleted defensive line the Baltimore Ravens signed free agent defensive lineman Cory Redding to a two year deal. According to the Baltimore Sun the club views Redding, who played last year in Seattle, as a better and more versatile player than the recently departed Dwan Edwards. General manager Ozzie Newsome had this to say about Redding:
“This will sound a little like a broken record, but Cory is a guy who plays like a Raven,” general manager Ozzie Newsome said in a statement. “He hustles, he plays with intelligence, and he can play multiple positions like many of our defensive players. He’s been a starter at both inside tackle and defensive end. And I am sure our coaches will use him in both positions.”
This is another intriguing move by the Ravens. In Redding they get a player who was at one time the highest paid defensive lineman in the NFL, but his productivity has fallen off due to injury problems in recent years. Redding was originally a 3rd round draft pick of the Detroit Lions and quickly established himself as a strong interior pass rusher. He was signed to a large deal by the Lions in 2007, but knee and groin injuries have limited his performance.
It is huge for the Ravens to pick up a pass rusher since the club struggled to pressure opposing QB’s for much of 2009. And Redding is a player who can be a tackle in a 4-3 scheme or an end in the 3-4. The question is whether or not Redding is much more than a solid contributor when healthy? Or will the change of scenery and the chance to play in an environment like Baltimore re-energize the 29 year old lineman? I would imagine the Ravens are still going to look to add lineman and pass rushers through the draft, but Redding could be a real find.
Redding is 6' 4", 295 pounds and 29 years old. According to Pro-Football-Reference.com, he recorded 18 tackles and 2 sacks last season with the Seattle Seahawks. I don't know a lot about Redding, but he had 24 fewer tackles than Edwards did in 2009 in one less game.
“This will sound a little like a broken record, but Cory is a guy who plays like a Raven,” GM Ozzie Newsome said.
Yeah, it does sound like a broken record. I'd be curious to know if Oz thought Foxworth played like a Raven when he signed him last season.
I too am concerned about his productivity, but I think he makes the Ravens more athletic along the defensive front. That was lacking last year. he is not going to be as stout agains the run as Edwards was, but he should be able to get after the passer. Let's hope that after playing for so many losing teams, the chance to be on a play-off team in Baltimore gets him to step up his play.
Alot of these clowns Newsome has been getting haven't played like Ravens at all…. Walker, Foxworth, Carr, Oneil Cousins, L.J. Smith (Got to give this one some leeway as he did play like a Raven, Dan Cody), Haushka and Ivey… Heck, Ozzie let guys that did play like Ravens leave, Leonhard, Stover and Scott. Even let a guy who coached like a Raven, Rex Ryan, go!
Instead we got soft players and coaches. From what I understand Redding is in that soft group as he started out well in the league only to turn into a marshmallow…
I'm going on record now that Harbaugh will throw Cam Cameron under the bus this year if the offense falters. Not saying it isn't Camerons fault as well as the players but Harbaugh will quickly put distance between Cameron and himself. Thats his modus operondi, blame others…
2488 – I'm am sick of the "play like a Raven" for the exact reasons you listed above – LJ Smith, Foxworthy, etc. It's a stupid cliche that's ran its course, and Ozzie knows it from his own comment.
I also agree with you that guys like Leonhard, Stover, and Scott truly epitomized what "play like a Raven" means. Hard nosed, blue collar, but Harbs didn't like them, so on the went.
STG, weren't Landry's numbers better than Leonhard's?
Not sure, but why not keep them together when they knew Reed wasn't 100%? Also, Landry was coming off a major neck injury in which he missed 14 games the season before.
When they throw around this "play like a Raven" crap, Leonhard epitomizes that. Undersized, overachiever, high motor. It's not as if they didn't have the money, they throw a boat load at corner Foxworth who wasn't even a starter prior to his arrival here. Harbaugh espouses special teams and Leonhard was a guy who could return a punt or punch somebody in the mouth on a kick-off or punt.
I'm not saying Leonhard is Ronnie Lott or Rod Woodson, but he was a gutsy guy, a fan favorite, and just an all around football player. Given the uncertainties with Reed and Landry coming into last season, I think they would have been better served to sign Leonhard and not waste a ton of money on a soft cornerback.
Amen 2488, I agree with you on this one. The slogan "Play like a Raven" has a bad connotation in my mind because those guys have played so poorly.
I don't like being told that a guy is better to Edwards, when I can see that his numbers in 2009 were worse!
well I can see most of you are not true RAVENS fans ,last time I checked we just went to the play offs 2 years in a row. OZZIE is the reason why that is by the players he brings in, players that leave here never do anything you hardly hear their name after they leave, and lets look at all the guys that have come here after not even getting drafted. Look at Aduelias Thomas he has done nothing since he left,and Bart Scott would only be good in Rex Ryans D, another guy who was not drafted So show some faith OZZIE has been doing this along time, I don't think after the 2 bums the coach has brought in the last 2 years he will carry much clout with OZZIE so blame the coach for some of the bums that came from Philly
Leonard was a bum in BUFF. he is only good in REX Dand stover is great but he can't make a kick over 48 yards we had to carry 2 kickers cause he couldn't kickoff anymore. Teams much change and not all the guys fit what we do hear,and what play like a raven means is giving it your all leaving nothing on the field that goes in pratice as well as a game. That is why D. Williams ccan't get on the field has all the tools and speed to be a great player ,but only gives little effort ,Harbaugh has got this team in shape they can make a run at a SUPER BOWL this year they have all the pieces on OFF. now just need to get to the QB.
Big D –
I DO think Harbaugh has a lot to do with the Eagles bums that have come since he got here, no doubt. I also believe this "play like a Raven" crap comes right out of Johnny Politician's mouth (Harbaugh).
The Ravens did go to the playoffs, albeit with a 9-7 record and a 1-6 record against teams that were in the playoffs. A significant number of wins came from the NFL's JV squads – Cleveland, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago…You're not going to get lucky enough to play that kind of schedule every year, they have some work to do this offseason, and are well on their way with Oz's additions on the WR corps.
Big D, I don't think you have to agree with every move the club makes to be a true fan. It's great that the Ravens have made the playoffs two years in a row, but that isn't enough for me and I'm sure as a passionate fan you want another Super Bowl win.
Building a competitive team is one thing, but I want to beat Indy, New England and Pittsburgh on a regular basis and I don't think that Redding is the missing piece of that puzzle.
I like the offense, I just don't like being told that a guy is better than another guy when his starts say that he isn't. And more than anything, I can't stand the rah rah slogan, "Play like a Raven"
Hmmm, we couldn't carry two kickers, but Indy – the AFC Champions could?
Also, Johnny Politician didn't have a BETTER answer at kicker than Stover, just a different answer. The competition in training camp was ridiculous, neither guy "won" the job, it was given to them, and we saw how Hauschka worked out.
Also, why couldn't the Ravens have two kickers? Were the saving that roster spot for Oneil Cousins? For LJ Smith?
part of the reason we lost those games was because we only had 1 WR on the field now we will have 3 so it's on this year , with the running game we have and the new WR. we should make a run to SB. if we can get to QB. it will make it easier on the CB. I think we need a TE. DT.and a good strong safety in the draft becuase Heap is getting old and Reed may retire anytime ,we have a good core on LB. young ,fast and strong time to address other needs DL.
Is BIG D related to Sleep? I agree that the WRs were weak, but they weren't playing the secondary when the opposition was running past Jeff Foxworthy like he was standing in mud. How about when the oppositions QBs had time to order lunch before they saw any pressure, don't the WRs will solve that one either and this Redding Railroad is worse than what we had. I think Hardballs must have naked pictures os Ozzie and making hime make stupid decisions. Before you make your SB plans, the Purple team better get some guys who play D. Are you Sleeps twin?
The secondary was a much bigger issue than wide receivers were last season. The Ravens couldn't stop any team with a half way decent passing game and so far they've added a guy with okay numbers on the defensive line.
I'm hoping they add some real CB's to a traditionally strong defensive club.
Big D…I'm going to fight Mark's battle tonight, as he appears to be off line…
Don't forget that two starting DBs are coming off major knee surgeries – Webb and Washington, and even before they went down the defensive backfield wasn't very good. You're right, the pass rush will make that better, but I haven't seen enough proof – including the signing of this Redding guy, that the pass rush has improved – it may later, but not at this point. If anything it's weaker with the loss of Edwards.
I think you're right – they need a TE, a pass rushing DT/LB, and a a slew of DBs to include both safeties and corners, considering the injuries in that area – Reed, Washington, Webb. Foxworthy "plays like a softy" unless its against Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, or Chicago.
Don't let the fact that they made the playoffs fool you. Any team with a decent QB – Palmer (twice), Manning, Ben, Favre, Brady – beat the Ravens last year. Only Rivers failed to and that was due to the fact the Nerd Turner is a clueless head coach.
Yea, the play like a Raven is getting old .. kinda like Ray-Ray's "Dogs in the House" chant. The D is getting old and soft so they need to address it soon. Not as in picking up 29 year old semi-good players. They need to get back to drafting good solid young guys that they can nail down for some years so they can carry the torch Ray is trying to pass on. Now that they have made huge strides in the offense this off-season, spend your picks on defensive players this year.
Clark,
Couldn't agree more.
They still needed to spend money on a CB. You can argue whether or not Foxworth was the best choice, but money was going to that position. And Leonhard would have been nice to keep, but I don't think the Ravens wanted to pay him as much as the Jets given the money they had tied up in the 4 safeties already under contrract.
JP,
I guess I'm looking for the 2000 version of Chris MacAllister. A physical, hard hitting guy. Not talking about a guy with his physical attributes – Chris was a big corner – just that same hard hitting mentality. I didn't see that kind of personality in Foxworth.
You're right, corners are at a premium and I couldn't answer who they "should have brought in", I just wouldn't have thrown starter money at Foxworth.
STG, I'm with you on C-Mac. He was the first person that came to mind when writing my last post. The Ravens do not have that anymore and although Webb started to show some similar attributes, it is way too early to put him in that category as C-Mac. Oz said there was no way they were going to spend that money on safeties to keep Leonhard and there really wasn't anything else they could've gotten without a major trade. So instead, they pick up Fowlsworth .. which has proven to be a shady pick-up.
Foxworth is a huge bust. No one liked C-Mac's personality so the Ravens bring in a nice guy…who got torched all year long.
Big D, we're not true Ravens fans because we call it as we see it? Because we don't think everything the Ravens is correct we are considered not true Ravens fans?
And your a true Raven fan because you think everything they do is gold? You, Big D, are a Ravens apologist. Don't be telling us we aren't true fans because we don't drink the Purple KoolAid.
So tell me, you liked the Hauschka over Stover move? Carr over Leonhard? Jemal McClain over Scott? Foxworth/Ivey over anybody? Harbaugh over Ryan? And don't give me this Harbaugh crap about him going to the playoffs twice. The players are revolting, no one likes him… Do you ever see a player of coach talking to him on the sideline? No… No one talks strategy with him during a game. He stands there like a drug store Indian, expressionless and stoic.
And you say Harbaugh has this team in shape? Look man, stay off the hippie lettuce, drop the narcotic Slurpee and stop licking the windows because Harbaugh is like the kid on the playground that has lice and everyone runs away from him.
Ravens 0I81, I don't agree with most of your perspectives but I have to admit, you nailed the Ravens thing. I am guessing BIG D is probably calling a cab after that knock out punch you landed. Hopefully I'll see you at the BSR O's Night extravaganza and we can continue this dialogue over a cold one?!
Can't wait to head out to yard and enjoy some baseball.
Wow, one of the more notable back 'n forths I've seen (without Ol' Bruz being in the middle of things). As for the Otis Redding signing, I couldn't be less interested. But I am left puzzled about the Ravens identity — are they really trying to "Win Now" or are they on some other track? I know they were part of the new "final eight" rule and all that, but two years and $6 million for the "15th highest rated free agent d.tackle" per scout.com? Doesn't sound look a good deal for Ravens Fan on the surface.
15th highest rate huh? But he's better than Edwards? Interesting. I think the Ravens have been pushed toward a "Win Now" team. Everyone seems to think they're one piece away from a Super Bowl team. They've made some improvements for sure, but I think their competition is going to be much better in 2010 and their defense needs a few more improvements before I buy what they're selling me.
We'll all be "sitting on the dock of the bay" come January if they don't start making some smarter moves.
What do you mean? The Ravens told me that Redding is an improvement… I must be confused as I cannot think for myself.
Edwards failed physicals with both the Broncos and Seahawks. The Ravens wanted him to get another procedure done on his neck but he didn't want to. I guess the Bills were fine with his situation and gave him 4 years/18 million.
I'll take Redding at 2 years/6 million anyday over that.
Redding was playing out of position last year.
Look, the team acquired Boldin and re-signed Mason. Both Bannan and Edwards got overpaid.
I'm as critical of this team as anyone but I really don't have any major issues with the offseason so far.
The draft will be the key. Now that Boldin is in the fold, they need to absolutely replenish the defense. CB/DE are at the top of my wish list.
Yeah I don't want to be a negative Nancy Mark. I agree with your stance on the Ravens. Very nice improvements on the offensive side of the ball.
What I dislike is people's blind faith with this team, whatever the Ravens say people believe and they always seem to think Baltimore is a player away from a Championship or are content with just making the playoffs.
The draft is the key though. Lots of holes on this team still. Let's see how they address them.
I will say the "Play like a Raven" thing is getting old and the organization is trying to sell us a bill of goods but many of the unknowledgeable fans will eat it up and the org knows it.
I'm getting a little tired though of hearing the Rex Ryan thing. He had one good year and was lucky as hell to even get into the playoffs. I'll start to be a believer when he has a good season this upcoming year. Oh yeah I forgot, even if you make the playoffs two years in a row, some of the chuckleheads in this forum still think your a turd. Lets just put the cards on the table, those of you that don't like Hardballs are deep down hoping the Ravens lose so they get ride of him and put in someone you like. Even though you are a Raven fan, your dislike for Hardballs overides everything. The difference between you and me is that I don't like Hardballs but I still want the Ravens to win, you idiots want your own team to lose so you can say "I told you so". Thats pretty sad.
Pole – Your like a breath of air baby… A stinky Pall Mall infested breath! I watched you for years and envisioned a fairly knowledgeable sports guy but man was I wearing my thongs too tight… If you would stop wearing that stupid backpack everywhere you would know the difference between a fan and a true fan… I guess your drunkin deduction of our dislike of Hardballs is the same as your man-crush of Favre?
Our dislike of Harbaugh is because he is a pompous jerk who backed into this job, still has no clue what he is doing, thinks he knows everything, treats the players like rec ball players (Varsity Jackets, his doghouse, etc) and is just not a Baltimore guy… Its kinda like when Lee Mazilli was here coaching the Orioles. He just didn't fit in…
Will-O – You agree with my perspective on the ladies… In fact there was a point where we shared…
Yes I would have rather seen Rex get the job, but shit happens and I think Harbaugh is still learning but the players are in much better shape now then they were when Billick was here. Some of the moves they have made was becuase of Harbaugh like L.J. Smith what a bum, but after such moves I don't think Ozzie is going to listen to much , when have you ever seen Ozzie miss on draft picks like he did last year. Not that often, out of seven picks only 3 made the team. You will see a much better draft this year , mostly on D and I also don't like the D that they run last year I think they need a better D coach. So don't think that I drink the purple kool aid I don't like Harbuagh ,but he is our coach and that is that if it wasn't for Cam we would be in trouble.I do like all the off season moves this year , we just need to pick up some CB.I'm not as harsh on my team because I can't control not 1 move they make and I'm not a coach,so you just have to go with the flow.
I do think that the offense will be a whole lot better this year then it was last , Joe will have all the pressure on him this year I just hope he is up for the task.I also think they are going to run a 4-3 more this year so they can get more pressure on QB.and they brought in Carr for punt and kick off returns, not really to play corner as for Stover we need a new kicker you got to start some where. If you really knew anything about the salary cap you would know we couldn't sign Scott and Ray and Ivey was brought in after Webb went down dummy, so learn a little more about football before you come at me like that , players get old and they get hurt next man up . If you really knew anything about football you would know about salary cap and that the team is trying to get younger , so go smoke what ever it is you have been smoking and post something when you learn something dope.
oh and by the way go have a cold 1 with that other dope , that explains it for both of you 2 drunks that don't know anything about football!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big D…
I know both Pole and 2488…they don't drink, they smoke the Hippy Lettuce…you know – hookah, kif, Johnson Grass, lamb's bread, Indiana hay, bammy, colas, chillums…
2488,
I've seen you wearing thongs and it burned my eyes. I know a Dr. that can do something about that boil on your arse and a specialist that can take care of that back hair.
BTW what is a Baltimore guy? Name me a couple coaches that are in the businees now that you feel are Baltimore guys and explain what makes them one. I don't like Hardballs tactics much either, they seem bush league but what irritates me is that you and STG are not consistent with your facts or your loyalties. Billick was a pompous ass but you two kissed his feet because he won one championship. His numbers were up one year down the next but you always gave him the benefit of the doubt? Now because you don't like the coach, you tear the whole organization apart. I just wish they would get rid of Hardballs to shut you two up. I'd like to hear what they should do now before the draft instead of telling us what idiots they are for the moves they have already made. Be proactive in your approach since you have a wealth of knowledge on how to run an NFL team
Pole,
I'll go through this, but you will conveniently forget next month and say I was "Monday Morning Quaterbacking" anyway…
The team needs depth at cornerback and safety, foremost. They weren't that good in the defensive backfield before last season, then two starters went down with major knee injuries (Webb started late in the year). Reed is playing with one arm and is a very OLD young man.
They need a stud pass rusher, be it a DE or LB/DE hybrid.
They need a TE.
They need a young WR, while they patch-worked a formidable receiving corps this year, receivers take years to cultivate, None of their receivers are young, aside from Clayton and frankly, he's not that good. so get one now.
Now when they go and draft a left tackle because he was the "best athlete available" can I now dog them in that I opined before the draft?
Big D –
Give em hell!
Big D – Pole is not a dope! An ugly jackass, gopher looking, backpack wearing, window licking, Toby (from The Office) looking, goof, but not a dope, definately not a dope…
Now me on the other hand can be classified as a dope so you have no argument there…
STD – You forgot "Jomba Juice"… "Naked Jaybird"… "Mississippi Mesquite"… "Half Squat"…
Big D – You said the team is trying to get younger? WTF? Cory Redding? Verne Shifflet? Matt Birk (Last year)?, Donte Stallworth? Derrick Mason (They could have let him go)? Please do me a favor, take off your helmet and slowly come down off the bus. The chaperone will walk you to your classroom…
Big D,
I'm with you. 2488 and Pole are just talking smack with no facts to back it up. You have to sprinkle in some vets with the young guys to field a competitive team.
I think Pole and 2488 indulge too much in recreational stuff.
Big D – You and Special Teams Goof (STD) are like two peas in a bingo hall! So you two think you are true Raven fans because you don't criticize the Ravens? Are you wearing purple shaded glasses? You two sound like if they brought back Trent Dilfer you two would think its a great move because you are tru fans and won't criticize…
I'll take Pole's opinions of the team more to heart than you two clowns!!! At least he is knowledgeable of the game unlike you two saps.
All STD can say is "give em hell Big D" like that is your rallying cry… After Pole and I chop you two down to size when it comes to football then it wiil be "STD & Tiny Bubbles"!!!
Hahaha. I don't know what to say on this post anymore.
The 'Cuse goes down. The Mighty Big East does it again!!!
STD,
Stay on topic. I think 2488 has you scared so your trying to change the subject. Tiny Bubbles won't be of much help since he channel surfs between ESPN and the cooking channel.